I was reading a post on Nigel Featherstone’s excellent blog Under The Counter Or A Flutter In The Dovecot earlier in the week. Titled The confidence of the threadbare, the post provided a short examination of how our society values the work of it’s artists. In this particular story Nigel, a writer, was asked what he considered the dread question whilst perusing in a shop “What do you do for a living?” … the question, perhaps innocuously asked by somebody wishing to make conversation stirred in our protagonist a dark reflection and mumbled reply. What it did set off was a train of thought upon how confidence and value affect not only our artistic or cultural contributions but about how we are perceived as artists.
Confidence and Value indeed. I struggle with these daily in the creation of my work. There’s the dread moment when someone asks, generally well-meaningly or at least with some interest, ‘what sort of pictures do you take?’ … I have answered ‘bloody good ones’ if I’m in a great mood and ‘lots of mediocre ones with a few flukes that people seem to like…’ if not so but that’s demeaning to myself and my art. It’s not a fluke that this creative passion nourishes me, gives me some measure of meaning and direction in this otherwise confusing world. It’s not that I don’t take a fair share of mediocre pictures either.
Putting on a show of your individual artistic works is another matter. Unlike a stage show with a duration of two hours, your work is on public display for weeks at a time. Will people like it? Will people like me as a result is perhaps a more self-accurate question. Do I care? If I’m asking the question then perhaps yes I do… if I were to stop to ask myself why I’m doing it I don’t believe there’d be an answer – not one that would be intellectually coherent anyways. “I just have to.” is the best I can come up with…
I have spent some 15 years as a semi-professional musician, dressing up on stage and taking people on musical and story-based journeys … mostly for the love of it … there’s little in the way remuneration(!) and for that magical feeling of walking both on stage (that delicious tingly nervous buzz) and walking off stage feeling that you’ve been somewhere yourself … that your exertions; physical, mental and spiritual have been nourished and refueled. I guess that takes confidence but funnily enough I’ve never considered myself overly so.
Having got back into exhibiting my work again this year (after a break of several years), running two concurrent and greatly different shows in July (all I can say in my defence was that it seemed a good idea at the time) and currently shortlisting images for my third and final 2014 show in September, I feel I’m almost too busy in prep to be concerned with confidence … almost 😉
As for value … that’s a tricky one … well, I find it tricky anyways. I’ve not yet found the best quantitative measure to assess it. In an instagram world where everyone’s a photographer, it’s hard to see the artists sometimes. I find pricing the work on show particularly difficult. Too high and it becomes inaccessible, too low and and it loses value quickly … the pricing I find most interesting is to ask a prospective purchaser what they think is a fair price for the work and then we negotiate from there.
What about you? Do you battle with these notions of confidence and value? Do you price your work? How do you do it?
In other news … shortlisting and preparations for my solo show Through A Glass Clearly progress apace … will post separately about this soonly 🙂
Confidence and value are perennial problems in my head. And have been for as long as I can remember. Compounded I think because I am an appreciator rather than a creator – so have much less to offer.
I don’t think that’s entirely true Sue. The role of the appreciator as you aptly describe is every bit as important as the the role of the artist. At least in my case anyways. Although I produce art for my own gratification I’m also creating the pieces in an attempt to show what I see in a particular scene or piece to other people. Bringing out the essence of the picture so as to try and make something for other people to experience. If there was no-one to appreciate it … there wouldn’t be a great deal of point to the exercise 🙂
I try to be honest with what I do. Which is funny because as you say we’re in the business of story telling ie fiction. I keep aiming for honesty – the song’s message, and to just convey that. I try to be unapologetic because I feel like it’s more respectful of the audience. It takes confidence or something like it, maybe stupidity. Who knows?
Honesty is integral to the process Jodo … well said. I think audiences are canny enough to know when they are being perhaps misled or deceived (though that word feels a little strong for what I’m trying to convey. Confidence and stupidity … a fine line sometimes. I do feel that what you and Emlyn do is somehow braver than what I do … a little more exposed perhaps … and that takes bravery … or stupidity ;-P … either way you try and show something other people are not courageous enough to try themselves and that’s courageous just in itself 🙂
Geoff xo
It is sad that that there are professions in this world that seem to have such low regard in the eyes of people. We all love are. We all think it is great that someone has the courage to act in front of others or to present their works of art – be they of the theatre, the visual arts or musical or or or – but at the same time there is always the perception that none of this is not real work. Real work means that you go out there and do whatever to get money to live, to sustain a family, to contribute to society and not always you need to love what you do. But what an artist of the arts does is real work too. Not all artists are good workers and not all of them do good work but they all work. Maybe the best way to price your work is to set yourself an hourly wage and estimate the number of hours that you worked and take it from there. It is all just a figure in the long run but atleast you can come up with some ballpark figure. AND in regards to explaining what you do, is it really necessary to feel apologetic for what you have chosen to do with your life. You give pleasure to people – even the people who scoff at the fact that they think that you don’t have a “real ” job – , you are a reflector of life, you are a pleaser, you are a man of the world. Make up a title for yourself which reflects you and put it out there. OK, enough said. You know yourself what to do. Good luck and keep growing as a human.!!! Mari
tough questions! shall we meet for coffee somewhere… 🙂
Coffee would likely be of great assistance in a conversation of this nature 🙂
I saw this earlier today but was (and still am) too tired to write a comment so I actually printed it out to read again later. Just thought I’d have another look before I switch off the lights and when I came to the second paragraph, you know what I thought about? That Google Hangout one year ago and Jordan Oram asking: So, what is it that you do? 🙂
Just wanted to drop that here for now. A few more thoughts about the matter after some sleep…
I’ll have to check it out and see what I said! I seem to recall giving a mostly coherent account of myself 😉
Hehe, yes. I just checked myself, it’s been a while 🙂 Now, back to the matter as such. It’s an interesting subject and I could probably write a whole post about ti myself but will try to restrict myself a bit today.
Firstly, I think this struggling with words to describe what you are doing is not necessarily limited to people working in the arts, it’s something that everybody who is not fitting into a certain role model can relate to. Not long ago, I was sitting in the bank and when we talking about a new insurance contract, the question came up what my actual job description is and in which business line I’m working…it’s always an awkward moment, especially as I’m working for a American company and the titles/descriptions don’t translate one to one. To simplify things, I usually say that I’m a consultant and as I’m in the process of moving into a new role, I can probably soon say I’m a writer/author 🙂 I may even become a scientist again in the future, who knows.
In the past few years, I’ve been following and have met a couple of artists, mostly urban art and photography but also a few authors and musicians, on social networks where it is quite easy to see how they deal with matters of confidence and value. Actually, I think it is so much more easy today to become confident about your work and define the value as you can get feedback from audience all the time. Also, for photographers, there are a lot of possibilities to compare with what others do, whether it is a self-publishing amateur, a popular soical media star, an internationally well-known professional or someone in between all this. In the past, an exhibition probably was the only way to show your work to an audience so you had to be quite confident about it and also put a value on it before it went public (or let a gallery take care of it). Today, you can see if people like it before and, if you want to so, only produce what the audience demands rather than taking the risk and create only what you want to bring into the world, something as beautiful and personal as possible. One of my favourite motto’s still is that of the Irish urban artist Fin DAC: “I create my art to keep myself happy… if others like it then that’s a great by-product.” Of course, this is so much easier to say (and to live) when you don’t have to worry about how to pay the bills because you are already selling your stuff well and/or have another income 🙂
Hehehe … nice to have choice in your preferred description of your job 😉
I think you raise some good points. That exhibiting used to be one of the few ways to get artistic works out there for the general public to see … I take your point that social media certainly assists one in determining those pictures or pieces more ‘popular’ than others but the audience is likely to be very different and so the results will be artificially skewed. Showing online is not the same as printing and putting your stuff up on a wall … I mean you have to have a fair degree of confidence in the work to even consider placing it in view like that I guess. I am kinda thankful that I have a job that allows me a position to be able to choose whether to exhibit or not … that my roof and food are dependent on something other than my artistic works … am I brave enough to take the leap and see whether the art would support me? That’s a whole other post 🙂
i find that very difficult to define. often people i rarely know tell me they like my pics (mostly people i didn’t even know they KNEW my pics). i’m happy to hear that but most of the time i just think “they are no photographers themselves, so that doesn’t say anything”. when it comes to people who do photography professionally i always feel like some stupid little kiddo with an expensive hobby who cannot be taken too seriously. so confidence depends much on the people i’m around. this means for me, that there is no real confidence for myself in my photography as i feel so insecure about it.
and value… well, i haven’t thought so much about that because when i started thinking about “what good does it to the world to have one more person with a camera” i got too frustrated and decided that i only do it for fun and when someone else likes it – wonderful…
I can relate to the …little kiddo with an expensive hobby… sentiment! Sometimes when attending an exhibition I find myself thinking ‘Wow … now this person is an artist … I’m just a dabbler’ … that said I’m about to hang my dabblings on walls this very afternoon … maybe someone else will like them besides me? If they do … wonderful! 🙂 … if not? well … whatever!
I couldn’t get the words “I’m a photographer!” out of my mouth for love nor money. What a joke, what a fraud! However, I have eventually worked my way around to mumbling something about doing freelance then very steadily I return the question “What about you, what do you do?” That way, you never have to say a thing about yourself again. It was never about me!
As for pricing, always mark up before you ever think of marking down. You’re worth it!
The funny thing about questions like that is that they seldom are about you … more an invitation to ask the asker what they do 😉
You are a photographer by the way … a commentating photographer … one who writes some life into their work and doesn’t pretend to be abstracted from the interactions that were involved in its creation … I think that’s important 🙂